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Although it is now closed no one actually admitted to being the owner of it was it DWP FQ4  so lets have a guess who it could have been and what the motive was behind it.
I set this site up to help people even though I personally don't donate 

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How about little willy wonka from Jamaica [biggrin]

It's always the off topic subjects that get the most posts, who wants to know about sperm donation anyway?

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Willy Wonka owned the chocolate factory [smile] but who really owned the dot com site it would be nice to find out wouldn't it ? 
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I remember reading a theory that the owner spent hours every day posing as different characters arguing with each other (and arguing with real people as well).  That makes sense, because it was pretty obvious that some of the people there weren't genuine, but what the motivation was is hard to say.  It may have been money-making, because there were adverts on the site, and turning the site into the Jeremy Kyle show probably helped bring people in.
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That does make seance as we did have DWP who loved wind ups in all sorts of names including spoofs of donors and recipients by slight changes in the name like MOT-3 instead of MOT3 really did get confusing at times He or She was very clever at this as the real MOT3 will agree
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I joined the site in 2009; in the days of FQ, Valhalla, Superlight, Exotic, etc.
The site owner was Gennadij Raivich (FQ).
He used the site for his own breeding program; and ended up fathering 58 children.
This was partly private research as he was a neuroscientist, and partly due to his Jewish religious beliefs to spread their gene pool.
As he was a strictly A.I only donor, willing to travel any distance; at his own expense, he was attractive to many recipients.
His motives for donating seemed to be genuinely altruistic; as he never asked for, nor accepted payment to cover his expenses.
I was an N.I donor in those days; and Gennadji Raivich berated myself; and others for doing so. Reason being we were a threat to his monopoly on recipients on the site. He wanted them all to himself.
Ironically it was Gennadji Raivich who ended up being convicted of sexual assault and placed on the sex offenders register for life.
Journalists such as Siofra Brennan from Take A Break magazine started taking an interest in the site around 2010, and produced a series of salacious stories about the seedy world of private sperm donation.
Some donors from the site such as Superlight were featured, and it caused them marital breakdowns etc. Much damage was done.
Later on other journalists took an interest in the site, and the Daily Mail took an interest in Gennadji Raivich; who had previously escaped contact with journalists posing as recipients. The journalists tended to chase the N.I donors as this made for more sleazy and salacious stories about donors having sex with women desperate for a baby etc. As Gennadji Raivich was strictly A.I only, they weren't so interested in him; and so he continued on, as they chased the N.I donors with entrapment.
Following his conviction for sexual assault, he fled to Germany where he qualified as a Medical Doctor. This was something he used to his advantage on the site when recruiting recipients for his breeding program; his deep medical knowledge of conception and fertility; as a Professor of neurosciences. Often recipients assumed he was a GP or Medical Doctor; and therefore trust was gained, and he was favoured over other donors that wanted travelling expenses, N.I, or the recipients to travel to them, etc.
Gennadji Raivich had a good run before he was caught; asking a recipient to masturbate him, and masturbating her during the donation visit.
He was a prolific donor fathering 58 children from 2009-2014 when he was convicted.
And so he closed the site following his conviction, as by then it was well infiltrated by journalists posing as recipients; all hungry for more information about his breeding program.
Gennadji Raivich had many fake accounts, and often cloned them with similar names; idea being to smear rival donors, so he could hoover up more recipients for himself.
Sock puppet accounts such as Exotic, were made to back his breeding program; and add credibility to his posts, pushing the agenda of spreading ethnic minority genes; and high offspring donors being acceptable. 
The trolling, and fake accounts arguing were just a distraction from his breeding program. Recipients looking for a donor were bewildered by the arguing and trolling, and so they turned to the voice of reason; Dr Frank FQ, the man that could be trusted.
Had he not asked a recipient to masturbate him, and masturbated her; he may well have continued his run and fathered more than 58 children. 
Following Gennadji Raivich's conviction for sexual assault, many of his 58 childrens mothers raced to defend him on his site; as they genuinely had a positive experience from him. However some didn't, hence his conviction.
Some of the recipients defending Gennadji Raivich were of course himself.
So he got what he wanted from his site 58 children, and spread his Jewish gene pool. However it came at a price losing his job, and being a convicted sex offender.
The funny thing is, back in 2009 when I was an N.I donor suffering Gennadji Raivich's critique, I had a feeling that one day he would fall on his sword. I expected he wouldn't last until 2014 when he was convicted, but he fell on his sword in the end.
I wasn't sure of the owner in those days, but now I know fake accounts such as DWP and Exotic etc; were Gennadji Raivich all along.
There were some genuine donors around in the early days; before the journalists and men looking for sex infiltrated the site; Valhalla and Superlight were genuine donors of that time. Sadly they suffered due to the journalists salacious stories, when their motivation was truly altruistic.
There is a reason why assisted fertility clinics limit the number of children conceived by donor sperm to a maximum of 10. Gennadji Raivich fathering 58 was a bad thing in my opinion. Sadly the legacy of this means those children have a convicted sex offender father; and have to live with that fact as do the recipients. Had many of the recipients had known their sex offender donor was the site owner, and they were part of his breeding program; them may well have swerved his offer of help.
Some donors connected with some recipients and conceived, so it worked in that sense. Had it been owned by someone with a genuine altruistic modus operandi; then it may well have continued to connect genuine people.
One always has to be wary of something free, like Facebook it's appealing. But often one gets what one pays for; nothing.
The journalists are also partly to blame, as they stopped genuine donors from connecting with genuine recipients. Less conception as a result of their salacious articles. It made some of the more naive recipients careful, but it also made some of the donors paranoid about donating.
All things considered it was best that the site closed following Gennadji Raivich's conviction.
Sadly this one will never be as popular, as the damage is done. Most recipients prefer to use pay sites now such as co-parentmatch.com etc, as the subscription fee means less jorunalists and fake accounts. As I said before, one gets what one pays for.
Closing the site was a good thing, as was Gennadji Raivich being exposed for what the site was really for; his breeding program.


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Wow that was a long ramble - and I thought I was good at them.

It is obvious you don't like FQ and there is nothing wrong with that [biggrin] But there is just no supporting facts in what you have wrote to back up the idea that FQ was behind the original tadpole.

I don't believe FQ was the owner of the original tadpole, he was just not bright enough for what went on. Ok he is intelligent in an academic way, but not streetwise and there were too many clues at the time to suggest he was not the owner. 

I think your post is written out of hate for FQ rather than a clear logical or factual approach. You give Frank too much credit.

I don't believe Exotic was a sock puppet of FQ's but either his own man or one of the same person as DWP.    

Likely FQ has a lot more than 58 children, because there will be a percentage of births not reported to him, likely to be more like 65 plus. FQ never answered my question - originally raised I think by happyh regrading having been tested for Tay-Sachs disease and other problem genes that are known to his religion. 

I don't see how paying for a site makes it safer or better. What makes a difference is how much effort is put in by the owner and if there is a forum or not. Without a forum there is going to be no stories/informatioin for journalists to get interested in.   

For me there are 3 main contenders, but I don't think it is possible to prove beyond reasonable doubt without access to websitetoolbox info. But they are:- 
1) little willy wonka from Jamaica
2) Female - DWP and all the other many names
3) A old hand that has had a lot to do with sperm donation sites at the beginning - that I have not seen anyone mention but myself on the original tadpole site (I will now keep that to myself)

If I was pushed I would go for No 1 as if you add a bit of chocolate it would make for an interesting conception. 
  


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Would that be the exotic DNA we be talking about here as I always thought that myself although he swore blind it had nothing to do with him it seemed funny that as 1 went offline the other came online a few times when I did some checks over a few weeks.

FQ did have his uses for information with his google checks etc but i dont think he was the owner of the site myself.
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FQ donated for 8 years, having Tadpole Town and 2 large Facebook groups all to himself  fathering 58 in that time period considering he was based in London, did not ask for travel expenses  and had "expertise" *cough, cough* is not really a high number, he had a very high miscarriage rate (or that's what his recipients told him).

I think Tadpole Town was started by Exotic and then the day to day running was handed to DWP thought to be Angela Valentine of Facebook FSDUK infamy [frown] with her numerous identities.




THAT WAS AN INTERESTING POST
DWP would make a few good posts and get people going i agree

BY THE WAY is it(DWP) a HE or a SHE that is the question [smile]
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Sasheen Graham was indeed Barbouilles, and one of Gennadij Raivich's recipients.
Hence her defending him to the last; until he was convicted when she went quiet.
It can't be easy being a recipient, knowing your child's father is on the sex offenders register.
DWP was one of Gennadij Raivich's sock puppet accounts. It worked perfectly for him, as he was pro high offspring donors, while his alter ego DWP was against. Exotic was another one of his accounts, pro high offspring donors; backing his modus operandi so recipients thought it was acceptable.
The fake honeypot N.I recipients he created were just used to gather information for his dossier on potential rival donors. He would get them to send dirty pictures and talk dirty, then copy and paste the dirty chats in order to discredit them and scare recipients off. Then he would move in on them, respectable Doctor FQ.
Siofra Brennan from Take A Break magazine also had multiple fake accounts to try and entrap N.I donors. What gave her away was emailing her real Twitter/Facebook profile picture with a fake name to donors.
She also created a fake profile using the same picture but fake name on co-parentmatch.com, again posing as a recipient that wanted N.I donations.
Gennadij Raivich slipped through her net of investigative journalism due to him being strictly A.I only; she preferred to target the N.I donors.
Shame the Daily Mail beat her to it, she would have loved to have got the scoop on Gennadij Raivich.

  1. Breakthrough on the pervs! Praise be!

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    Usually I can't move for pervy men and now i'm trying to entrap one, nobody's biting




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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2775245/Neuroscientist-claims-hes-fathered-58-children-running-onestop-shop-insemination-service-avoids-jail-molesting-woman-used-breeding-programme.html
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Who is (Naobe) is that supposed to mean something ? Name edited

Barb is a real person with a higher IQ than you two put together. Just ask brad or is he supposed to be made up as well lol


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Sasheen Graham is not Barb [smile] as i can tell you personally having been on the wrong side of Barb myself
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Have we not all been on the wrong side of Barb at one time or another lol; I know I have been there as well. Saying anything against FQ when Barb was around was like signing a death sentence. But when you get to know Barb and not talking about FQ she was a nice very intelligent person, maybe she had a few problems in her past of not her making that affected her outlook. But I liked her, she was friendly when not dancing on ones grave and with a good SOH. 

But who is Naobe ?   (name edited)


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(Naobe) is not Barb [smile] as i can tell you personally having been on the wrong side of Barb myself
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